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In today’s episode of ProdCast, (brought to you by Inogic), Matthew Anderson and Joel Lindstrom share their tips for working from home and review some recent updates to their favorite productivity tools, including on how PowerPoint can help improve your speaking skills through AI.

Discussed on the show:

  • Uplift desks
  • Jabra GN
  • PowerPoint Coach
  • To-Do “My Day” view
  • Quickly create tasks from Outlook Web 

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Joel Lindstrom:
You're listening to Proadcast the personal productivity podcast from CRM Audio. Joel Lindstrom here with Matthew Anderson. Matthew, how is your quarantine doing?

Matthew Anderson:
I am doing my darndest to stay productive, but I feel very lonely. Very lonely. Joel, how about you?

Joel Lindstrom:
Oh, well, I normally work from home. Fair amount of the time as I know you sometimes do as well, right?

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. So I was going into the office, like four days a week just to have the social aspect of it. So this has been actually quite a change for me, even though I can work remote.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah. So. Same thing here. And the weird thing here is usually when you work from home in our line of work, the people you work with, at least some of the people are customers or whatever on the phone are in the office. Now everybody sees me at home and everybody's home, but it seems like it at least the people I've been working with. And so it's like the the things that disrupt you in your home are disrupting them now. Their kids are are doing school at home. So people are really forgiving if something happens that disrupts the meaning or whatever. Nobody's saying it's very unprofessional when every dog barking like that because everybody's dog is barking.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, well, I tell you, I've had more more times where I've been on in meetings and people have video on their cat is like right there walking in between the video camera in themself or they they kind of pan down and say, and there's my dog. And one one coworker literally just got a dog. And he had the, you know, lifted up. The puppy did whatever. And then a few minutes later forgot he wasn't muted and was saying to the dog, "no, no." But like another another person was talking like explaining something on the call and it was confusing, like, who are you saying no to?

Joel Lindstrom:
It's funny, yeah, I think one thing, I didn't know what it is, but one observation I have is people seem to turning on their web cams more. Have you seen that more than normal?

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, I I definitely have. I. I'd gone through a phase about a year ago where I was turning on my camera all the time and nobody was. Nobody was on that same bandwagon. I kind of backed off. And now now the cameras are definitely coming on.

Joel Lindstrom:
Right. I've heard people talk about kind of the culture of teams versus things like Zoom. When you're on zoom, meaning people generally, it's video by default. We're teams, a lot of people, at least internally to my company. And I've noticed Microsoft people to generally turn the camera off or don't turn it on. We're now seeing more people do. So maybe. Maybe it's a little cultural change happening, taking advantage of this. And maybe it's part of it might be people feeling alone and wanting to see people and be seen. So might it be there to see how this is going to change how people work long term?

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. I think it'll definitely shift people to being more comfortable with having video on. I would I would speculate that one of the reasons why a lot of at least in the circles we run in we don't have video on is we're on conference calls too many hours of the day. And it it's not about being social in that in the same way that like a zoom is kind of social first and with back to back to back calls and video on for all of them. I think a lot of people don't want to see that they're maybe not paying attention. Some of those more more redundant calls.

Joel Lindstrom:
So are you don't want the vice president of the bank to see you in your scruffy T-shirt and you haven't shaven or showered for two days.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. And we've had a in the in the spirit of encouraging more video, a lot of understanding and even leadership saying, hey, don't worry about it. Put on a hat. We'll send you out a hat. Whatever. Don't worry about having everything be perfect for video. Let's just see each other and try to stay connected as we go through just a difficult, unprecedented time.

Joel Lindstrom:
Right. So have you changed your workstation at home? Have you done anything since you. Just working room now to make yourself more effective or productive?

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. So couple things on that. One, if you may recall, I just moved like literally we closed on a new house and moved inside of the last month. Yeah. So I've been I've been trying to settle into my office here. And the timing is great because now I have a close able door. But now that I don't have the option of going into the office anymore, there is a purchase I just made over the weekend that will be delivered on Thursday, which is a sit stand desk. I realize that I have transitioned to using a standing desk almost all day long, every day. Coworker of mine had called it out a couple of weeks back and why you're always standing and boy, within two, three days of being in the home office and being seated the whole time. I just. It was it was a very big shift for me. And I finally pulled the trigger over the weekend.

Joel Lindstrom:
I'm interested in doing that, too. Which standing desk did you go forth?

Matthew Anderson:
So I went for the Uplift desk based on a couple of different vectors of feedback. I like the the wire cutter, the Web site, which is a great one for reviews, kind of the best of pick your category. So they had one for standing desks and uplift is is one that they really liked. There were a couple of things like the ergonomic curve that the reviewers really liked about it. And they have some good options that go along with it. There's like a kiddie control on the controls for it. So my kids can just like run up and start pushing the button and mess around with the desk and those those kind of things matter.

Joel Lindstrom:
So every picture I so on the Uplift Desk website has just one, either a laptop or one monitor. Did do they work with multiple screens without it all falling off?

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, they do so. And you can buy like you can put monitors on the desk or you can buy arms that mounts to the desk. The the weight capacity for raising it up is 350 pounds for the motor. So if you had 350 pounds worth of gear on your desk, all in monitors, I salute you. I think the honest MVP has something like that that I saw. But yeah, that that's that's not an issue. And they they do have a variety of different sizes. And one thing I did not opt for a desk that's quite this big. But if you go for one of the five foot or larger desks or longer, rather, they have an option of mounting a hammock underneath for when you need to take that nap.

Joel Lindstrom:
Awesome. Yeah. Productive. Not that be good. Yeah. So I thought doing like myself because I find like you said, I sit more when I'm working at home and then lose track of time and then realize I haven't stood up all day long. So that's good.

Matthew Anderson:
And I I did opt for the the balance board. They gave an option for a balance board as part of that. We'll see if I end up actually using it. But it was a freebie throw in that came as as part of the package. So we'll see on that. Jury's still out. So I'm curious about how about you? What's the. Anything new to the Joel Lindstrom setup?

Joel Lindstrom:
Well, several things. Probably the one is I just was getting tired of wearing headsets all day on.And You're working from home. We're doing more conference calls. Might my ears just get tired of having a headset on all day long.And also, if you have a one that's battery powered or Bluetooth, you've got to stop and charge it up and worry about it being charged and all that. So for Christmas, I had actually asked my wife for one of the Jabara I don't what's called, but it's like the puck thing, like the speaker phone thing. And so I have been using that. And it's it's pretty awesome. It it reduces my fatigue from being on calls because I don't feel the pressure of headphones on my head all day long. I wouldn't use that if I'm in the office because it's kind of rude to talk on the speaker phone, especially office like mine that doesn't really have walls or ceilings of sound travels all over the place. When I'm just home by myself or in my in my cave with with with myself with the door shut. It is really good. And the sound pick up is really good. It's like I haven't heard any complaints about. Oh, it sounds like you're on you're on your cell phone, speaker phone or something. It works really well, I think. You have one of them, too, right?

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, I do. I have one. I can either plug it in u_s_b_ or add as a Bluetooth option. So I sometimes all connect that up to a cell phone in a in a pinch in a customer meeting too, if we don't have a good solution. But yeah, I I like the POC and I like it's a Jabara. You said you have a Jabra.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah. That's why I got it. Because I've been in that situation in meetings where there's no speaker phone and. Yeah. You can connect to your cell phone but I said hey I'm just going to try and use it here because you know I I'm sick of wearing headphones, talk in the phone six hours a day so. And it it it works really well. It's also pretty d it's not the the best like music speaker but it sounds okay if I want to like play Spotify or something during the day. It's a little bit better than just music coming from my laptop speakers.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, it definitely makes sense for for some of the tech that I've added. I did go out and I picked up a good quality mouse for it home. I typically use the track pad if I was at home because I was in the office quite a bit in there when I plugged into a workstation. There was a mouse that was attached, but I needed to have something pretty, pretty decent there. So I got a nice, comfortable Bluetooth one that I can. I have a button to be able to switch it between my surface book and my surface go without having to like disconnect, reconnect, which is pretty nice.

Joel Lindstrom:
Logitech has got to where you can have on keyboards have like four different devices including your phones and and your and your tablets hooked up to the same keyboard. Just toggle between them.

Matthew Anderson:
Yep. It's that, it's that same concept. But on a mouse I haven't, I haven't tried hooking it up to the phone. I don't know if that would work, but I definitely have it for the for the go for the surface book. And then the other the other piece of text that I picked up and it was just delivered actually earlier today is I got a surface doc since both of my devices are surface and I got sick of having to pack up my power cord every time I was going to plug in and unplugged from at home. So I have I have the surface doc connected up to my monitors and as well as to the network cable. So I don't have to dongles and I'm not reliant on Wi-Fi.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah, I've had one of those. I don't have my surface pro anymore, but I had one of those. The one I had worked pretty well. Every now and then it would get kind of wonky, but I had to like unplug it and plug it back in. Also got a little bit hot sometimes. So I know sometimes the surface power adapters can become like heat sources. So if you're cold in Minnesota, you can you can you can get some heat from them.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. He's exactly in the in the office setup I have I can definitely use that. I have a little ancillary baseboard heat here.Maybe if the surface dock power supply gets too warm I don't have to kick that on.

Joel Lindstrom:
But that would be a good productivity topic which is docking stations because I have. I know people who swear they can't work without a docking station. I'm kind of mediocre on docking stations. I find them good if you need to add more ports. But as far as just the convenience factor, if I have to plug cords in my laptop, when I start working, when I get to the office, it doesn't bother me. It seems to bother certain people like, oh, I have to plug my monitor. and then plug my network cable in there.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. So the the biggest challenge for me and one of the reasons I like having the docking station is I I find I end up using my USGBC port more often than I thought I would. If if for no other reason that's what my Yubikey uses is the USB-C port. So if I and I only have one of those on the surface book, so if I edit also it won't work through. I had a USB-C docking station and so it was just one thing to be able to plug in. But the Yubikey wouldn't work through that. It had to be directly connected to my computer. So I was like having to unlock and detach the the you know, you USB-c port. My monitors would flip over everything and go back to the main screen. I could plug in the USB Yubikey, do my thing, unplug it and then plug everything back in. And that was just like, it's a hassle. So anyway, I it was if I wasn't here as much, I don't think I'd do it so much. But now that I have to be home-based much more, at least for the foreseeable short to mid-term here. That's just one of the things I said. I'm doing it. I'm not horsing around anymore.

Joel Lindstrom:
So let's ask you this question. Do you have the surface dial?

Matthew Anderson:
I do not have the surface style.

Joel Lindstrom:
I do have a surface style. I got it. I think it was last year, a year before it MVP summit. And I got it because it was I had a credit I could spend and it was like half price at the Microsoft store. It is probably the world's most useless accessory. I mean, it does it basically as a button they can assign certain actions to. So if I want to turn my volume up or down or scroll with it, it also works on the surface with certain apps like like a sketchbook and things like that. But. But it's pretty it's pretty useless. But I mean, now that you've now that you've got the surface, the surface dock, now you need a surface dial to go with it I think. Yeah.

Matthew Anderson:
Well if I if you're trying to pon your surface dial off on me maybe I'll give it a try but otherwise I'm not, I'm not going to be running out and trying to insert that. That's the big vein of productivity that just ends up being a waste of time from the sounds of it.

Joel Lindstrom:
Right. So I think I think as far as on the quarantine of work from home, everybody is doing work from home tips. I mean, I think I would echo what a lot of people are saying, which is find reasons to interact with people. Keep a regular schedule. I am a fan of still showering in the morning and getting dressed. You like feel like you're going to work even if you're at home. Those kind of things but I'm setting up I'm setting up meetings with friends just to get together, even though we aren't supposed to have meetings with more than, I guess, three people now.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. I hear ya. I'm just having some of the the normalcy that comes with getting up. I mean, my my habit forever has been taking a shower in the morning and that really helps me get ready for the day. And if I miss that, I just I don't I don't execute throughout the day in the same way. So I've I've definitely kept some of those things. I. You know, I put products in my hair. I I put on real clothes. It's not just the stuff that I know, the hooded sweatshirt that I had on or the you sweat pants or whatever else there is, there's some of that that's nice to have and keep a little bit of routine around. But for some.

Joel Lindstrom:
I agree. Take a shower.

Matthew Anderson:
But yeah, I mean, as as we look at that, there are definitely some things where, you know, for me, as I as I look at trying to keep some of that normalcy, it's it's because some of the things that I know I had set out at the beginning of the year as far as goals become a little bit more difficult to be able to actually make good on, you know, just because they involved interacting with people in different ways, some of them are social goals and being out and about with people kind of getting out of the house and making sure I'm doing that more. And that's just not not physically recommended. All right. Now it is it is possible. So I won't say it's not possible, but not it's certainly not recommended. So, you know, for that, there's definitely been some goals, both both personal and professional, that I'm having to take that time to re-evaluate. What does this look like moving forward for me? How am I going to adapt it? Making peace with the fact that even though I said it, you know, the seas just aren't cooperating with being able to reach that island. I'm trying to get to or meet that goal I'm trying to achieve. So, you know, definitely that's something I'm going through up chatted with a couple other people who have had similar things. You know, are there any any goals that you're having to re-evaluate or kind of redirect on?

Joel Lindstrom:
I think my goals of speaking at conferences, that's set to change and kind of re-evaluate what I'm doing. I think what helps me is the specific thing I had a goal to do, you know. So like I was going go on international trip this summer, we've canceled it because whether or not things die down before then, it's just with Disney World's closed, you know, nothing is sure anymore. So. So with that in mind, I've changed the specific things I was going to do. But I think I think I still have the same goals and I'm finding other ways to move it forward. Since speaking in a conference. I'm going to do more webinars maybe, or I've kind of gone back to back to the basics of some of the things that I used to do. That's where CRM Tip of the Day. I've been publishing the videos about what is coming with the next release, which is more like what I used to do. And it's been kind of refreshing to go back to back and do that kind of with a new, new, more modern twist to it. So I think, yes, I have.

Matthew Anderson:
I really like those Tip of the day videos, they've been a welcome addition, at least at least to my day.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah, so kind of my little secret there, which maybe isn't a secret, is you're learning something. Make a short video about it as you learn it or raft right after you learn it and that it's a good check to see. Do I really understand how this works? Do I understand this enough to demo, but not something that has to be a two hour long thing? It can be a four minute thing. If it's if there's a nugget of something that would help somebody else or help me later than it's useful. And that I've got maybe a small deck that I can compile with multiple topics or demos that I've done on this on these things I can piece together into a bigger piece. So let's say for UG summit next. Next fall. Yeah.

Matthew Anderson:
So yeah, that's great. Well keep keep him coming. I appreciate those. I appreciated your longer form webinar on the April release stuff. I think it certainly helps that, you know, the platform is coming out with so much more content at such a regular cadence that those things you know, it's not like you do that and then you wait around and for the next, you know, year to 18 months, you don't have anything to talk about.

Joel Lindstrom:
And I think one thing that's nice about it, if there can be something nice about this weird time that we're living in, is it has given us all a little bit more time to take a step back and maybe do some of the things that are on our longer range goals that we have been maybe putting off. So one thing I'm trying to do is do some learning about some of these other things, like learn to take better pictures and be a better photographer or learn to improve my speaking ability. And that ties into the next thing that that was a great transition. So the next thing on my list, which I've been playing with and I did before my webinar, I did about the 2020 wave one release is the PowerPoint coach. Have you used the PowerPoint coach, Matthew?

Matthew Anderson:
I have not used the PowerPoint coach, but pre prerecording. You mentioned it and it sounds awesome.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah. So here's what you do. You. It requires you to use PowerPoint online to rehearse for your presentation. It's not something you use while you're delivering a presentation. But open up from, say, a onedrive, open up one of your PowerPoints inside a PowerPoint online, which is basically open it up from OneDrive. Don't download it, but just open it in PowerPoint online, go to the slide show tab and click rehearse with coach. What happens is it opens up a presenter window and you start presenting and the A.I. coach gives you real time tips as you're doing it, as if you had, say, your own Toastmasters meeting going on. But with the robot and other people and it will tell you if you're using verbal clutter, you're saying and too much, they'll tell you you're reading the slides, stop reading the slide and summarize. And it will tell you if you're talking too fast. If you're using good verbal variety and not speaking in a monotone way, I find it really, really helpful. And so when I was preparing for that presentation, it said I was talking too fast and I was saying and so too much. So I was more mindful of those things and tried to speak in a more reasonable pace. And it'll give you a nice summary at the end as well. So I think anybody that you've been presenting a long time, you kind of if if you like me, get into the I've done this so long. I I'm good. I didn't need to practice, but a little bit of practice can help everybody and this can help you get through it. And the other thing that's kind of help with this is if you noticed on some of the recent podcasts I've been doing transcription of what we say to text. And boy, that's a good way to see all the glaring examples of how many times you say you know and um.

Matthew Anderson:
I hear you on that one. There there was nothing quite like that recording when I when I first started in Toastmasters, I would record every single one of my speeches that I was giving. And I would I mean, I'd get the feedback from whoever was evaluating me for that speech, but then I'd really have a lot of maybe overly critical feedback for myself. But I was really trying to improve. And the the tough part of doing that and one of the reasons why I didn't continue it was it just takes so much time. I mean, say it's a 15 minute presentation and that would be on the short side of things for a lot of present patients that I give professionally. I have to spend another 15 minutes watching that back. And it sounds like your PowerPoint coach, which I'll definitely check out, can help cut down on some of that because it's real time while you're doing it. Compiling that feedback and letting you know, here's the areas where you can work on what you're doing.

Joel Lindstrom:
Even if you go through it just one time before you do it and get the tips and get the feedback. I thought was really helpful.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. What I'd love is to use that as the reason why people need if I'm in a group setting to get their slides in on time so we can actually practice it. But maybe the day before we actually have to present it, we can dream.

Joel Lindstrom:
All right. So anything new with with the other tools we talk about frequently like Outlook Web.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. There are a couple of things in Outlook Web that I've really been appreciating here lately. One of them is in my inbox. I will get a little prompt if there is an email from, say, last week. I had one come up yesterday where a co-worker had asked me a question last Wednesday and it said, you never responded to this. Do you want to respond now? And it was somebody who in my my network of you know, if you look at my Office 365, my analytics, it's one of those people that I'm collaborating with all the time. I usually get back too quickly. So this one truly had slipped through the cracks. It was a great reminder. I could just kind of take action on it and get the get the response out there. It was really helpful, especially when I truly had just forgotten to get back on that one.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah, I've noticed that in Outlook on the desktop as well as Outlook Web, if you click my analytics inside of Outlook, it gives you those kind of prompts as well. But are you saying that Outlook Web is now giving that to you natively without having to go into my analytics?

Matthew Anderson:
Exactly. I don't have to go anywhere, especially when I'm looking at my inbox. So I use like the focused inbox and above where my focus inbox starts. It will tell me, hey, there's this email from last Wednesday that you haven't responded to. Would you like to? And it's kind of highlighted the keyword that it thinks it is. So I'm just for me as a user. I'm not having to go anywhere special. I just went into my inbox and it's trying to tell me that inciteful idea of this is probably something you meant to respond to. And I can either reply from there or I can say, no, not a task and let it go a little bit similar to sometimes I get like the daily I'll get the daily digest email that will have maybe open to dos or that sort of thing. But this is much more in my face when I go into the inbox.

Joel Lindstrom:
I know sometimes that's kind of hit or miss for me, it will suggest things that are tasks that aren't really tasks. Does it get smarter over time?

Matthew Anderson:
It's still hit and miss for me on some of those. And frankly, I'm not I'm not looking for perfection. I'm just looking for the low hanging fruit that have come back. But I have not seen in those any explicit way, nor have I gone looking to say now this this feedback is kind of, you know, a bad one. Unlike if I think of, like, you know, Dynamics 365 equivalent where you can give feedback on like lead scoring of, hey, I thought this would be, you know, better or worse because of these reasons and being able to submit that feedback back in. I have not seen the same thing in the in outlook.

Joel Lindstrom:
One thing I appreciate with My Analytics, specifically in Outlook, is how is how you can it will tell you if you have Emails that have documents in them and let you schedule time to review those documents. So that's that's helpful, especially when you have if you're the reviewer or approver of some kind of document, you're slammed with a lot of meetings and you need to block time off for that. There's there's also here's here's things you asked people to do as well. And so you don't forget about those things.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. And it really helps legitimize that those things do take time. It's really easy to marginalize that, you know, say, oh, yeah, you know, I have time to take that extra meeting because I don't already have something on my calendar. When you're reviewing documents, just takes time. If you're going to do a good job of it, and especially if you're part of a of a chain of workflow you doing that is is important. And it needs to have that that attention shined on it.

Joel Lindstrom:
And you were saying here's an easier way to schedule to dos without look web now.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. So the thing that I have taken to is you can highlight that a part of a text in your email and if you hover over that, it gives you just a one click to be able to create a to do task from that. So sometimes there is maybe a smart recommendation. You know, if you the email says, you know, create let's follow backup. Next Thursday or something like that where Outlook is doing that for you. I often if I'm looking through an email, we'll see one or two or three things that are called out there that I want to remember to go do later. And I can just highlight it and click the hover to do button. And it creates that you do a task for me. And then it shows up when I when I do my task list later in the day.

Joel Lindstrom:
And Wunderlist is officially dying. First it will be officially sent to pasture.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, we've been talking about this one for a long time. I wondered how long it would be kept on life support as capabilities were ported over to to do. But yes, May 6th is the last day of Wonder List. Very, very sad. Yeah, I have a lot of good Wunderlist memories, but frankly, at this point, I mean, I don't even have the Wunderlist app installed anymore. I mean, I have become a convert to to do as they they brought in the capability set. And I'm pretty, pretty happy about that.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yeah, they've even added some features that weren't part of Wonder List, but kept still the feel that you had with wanderlust. There's really only one feature that I have sometimes missed, which is the ability to, as part of a worker's school account to be able to have tasks assigned to people that aren't. So that's that's been one thing that I sometimes miss. But I don't use that that frequently. And and so I can. You could set up a personal Microsoft account and then be able to do it. But I think for the place it's playing, which is it's now the replacement for tasks in outlook, and it's much better than that and it is much more flexible to work with. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm all to do all the time.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah. Me, me as well. And I actually really appreciate how it brings all of the planner tasks into the fold as well. Bringing them as part of that same kind of to do processing that I have, I've, I've really appreciated that. Now one thing with the the final Farewell to Wonder list is I didn't realize my wife was still using Wonder List in a limited capacity at this point. She said she had never really been nudged off until she got the surprise email saying, yep, we're really shutting down the service.

Joel Lindstrom:
So this this realization came to you when you saw her open her phone one time you were aghast to see her use wonder list.

Matthew Anderson:
Oh, she she she she opened her email and said they're finally getting rid of Wunderlist. What am I going to do? Actually, her question is, do they finally have recurring tasks inside of to do? And I said, yeah, they they do. Ok, but one of the one of the things is she started using to do because she she said, OK, fine, you know it's time for me to make the make the switch or figure out what what the new app is going to be. She said she really likes the something I didn't even consider to really be much of a feature, but it's just the my day and how simple and empty my day is unless you yourself fill it up with tasks for the day. You know, she's not someone who wants to have thirty five things that are checked off of her to do list by the end of the day. That doesn't give her any extra boost, any extra juice. And in fact, it it makes it feel more more like, you know, it's a never ending list by comparison. So she likes being able to just pick two, maybe three things, Adam, into the list for the day. And yeah, she'll do other things, too, but they're not part of the official to do list for the day. So there's interesting feedback very, very different from my usage pattern.

Joel Lindstrom:
Right. I will say I like my day feature. I don't admit to using it just because I don't. I still tend to if things are do on a certain day I create an appointment and if there are things on my to do list to do when I get to them, I put them on my to do list.

Matthew Anderson:
Sure, yeah. I mean, you know, in a similar vein, I will have my to dos and I will actually if you pull up the Outlook Web calendar, you can pull up the to do list as one of the navigation items in the header and literally just like drag your two views out onto your calendar to be able to schedule that time. So I definitely do that kind of thing and you can pull over your your tasks or fly emails or if you use grouping or categories on in to do kind of filter and bring those items in. So I'll say I use a hybrid there.

Joel Lindstrom:
Right. When I look at my do I see I've got all these groups this set up before that aren't really used. So like with my one vote, I need to do cleaning.

Matthew Anderson:
Fair enough. Apps, maybe art spray me. But your job time. Yes. Yeah.

All right. So her favorite feature is is and I think the Wunderlist had a similar my day or today kind of view, didn't it?

Matthew Anderson:
I don't remember what actually went into it, but I think the the the difference in to do is if she had something on the day for yesterday and she didn't do it and she goes into my day today, it starts out blank and she gets to decide if she's pulling that thing in from yesterday that she didn't do or she's going to focus on something else. And I think she likes that agency in what's showing up in my day.

Joel Lindstrom:
Well, good. I'm glad she likes it.

Joel Lindstrom:
And I love that. I love having my fly e-mails show up there, too. That's really helpful, too. That's that. Then it's it's. It has sped up my workflow with even like dragging task, dragging e-mails to to there. It's just easier to flag them and have them be tasks.

Matthew Anderson:
Yeah, definitely. And you know, to that to that point. The only gap that I really have in feature is that I want to see is I want to be able to categorize tasks that come over from planner. Those can't be labeled or flagged or, you know, anything else. So that's that's a little bit disappointing for me. But yeah, that's you know, we'll get through it.

Joel Lindstrom:
Yes. All right, Matthew, stay productive.

Matthew Anderson:
Thank you, sir. You, too.

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